another Programmer debugging thread
  • dubtomsdubtoms
    Hi guys,

    I just assembled my programmer board this morning but when I turn the Shruthi on, I get a slightly lit blue screen instead of the normal splash screen.

    The led on the board is also barely lit...

    Does that sound familliar to you ? (i can provide pictures if necessary)
  • 6581punk6581punk

    Perhaps your PSU isn’t powerful enough?

    Either that or there’s a slight short or other problem?

  • fcd72fcd72

    Or you shorted something somewhere…..

  • yewtreemagicyewtreemagic

    Were you wearing shorts at the time? ;-)

    Martin

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    Update : after checking for shorts, it turned out it was coming from port 2 : I don't know how but some residual solder was stuck between the IC and its socket...

    The good neews is that now it is working ! Or rather it is close to be working... There are a few issues like one or two pots modifying two parameters at a time while a few are not responding so I need to see where I messed up with cables...

    Something else bothers me on a higher level though : most of the time, minimum value is around 20 and not zero when I turn knobs all the way left...

    Also, a few of them are "hard" to turn...

    Is there any way I can fix that ?
  • fcd72fcd72

    If the pots don’t work 100% or change 2 Values at a time theres somewhere a Bridge/Short.

    If the pots are hard to turn most likely the Knob touches the Panel, so lift it up a bit. The feel gets a bit softer when turn a few hundred times ;-)

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    @Frank

    When you say "don't work 100%" you're referring to this "minimum value" issue right ?

    I'll try to lift up the hard ones a bit then...
  • dubtomsdubtoms
    I've sorted out a few things but I still got that "minimal value" thing going on, it's affecting all parameters : I can go below +/- 25 out of 127 and +/- out of 64 (approximately) or for example when selecting waveforms I can't access the first 10.

    There must be something wrong somewhere but I can't tell what...and it's killing me :)

    Any ideas ? Maybe one connection in particular I should have a look at provided this symptom ?
  • fcd72fcd72

    So this affects all Pots which are otherwise working fine? Or are there some that don’t work? If so theres the Spot to start…

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    Yeah I've ruled out other problems and yeah I'm pretty sure it affects every pots...
  • fcd72fcd72

    Hmpf.

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    I'll check again tomorrow if all parameters are indeed affected but I must say I was hoping you had any idea about where this massively frustrating problem might come from... Damnit I was so close to having my first DIY project finished (wait I still need to add the polivoks Filter...) :)
  • fcd72fcd72

    Please take the following measurements: Turn all knobs to the leftmost position and measure the CV Line – it should be 0. If not Disconnect the Programmer and Ground the CV1in line while the Programmer is running. At least then all Parameters should fall to 0 instead of float?

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    Yeah I've got 0 for every pot.
  • fcd72fcd72

    So if you turn all to 0 then all read ? Then somewhere a bit of voltage leaks into the CV Line, try finding the one Pot that causes the trouble by turning one by one….

  • pichenettespichenettes

    Could it be that one of the 4051 is not correctly desactivated? So two 4051s are active at the same time and the voltages from the pots are added up?

  • fcd72fcd72

    Good point pichenettes!

    Check at every 4051 if its either nicely 0V or 5V.

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    I'm confused. How can I identify the troublemaker since all of them display 0v when turned left ?

    Ok I'll check for 4051s
  • dubtomsdubtoms
    I have 5.06v at every IC...
  • pichenettespichenettes

    Which pin of the 4051 did you check?

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    n°8 & 16
  • roschrosch

    could it still be another short leaking some V into it?

  • fcd72fcd72

    @dubtoms
    The Idea is that from somewhere some Voltage is leaking either directly into the CV Rail on the PCB (thats the one leading to the CV1 Pin greenish in the Pic) or in the Select Lines from the 4051s (violet).

    You may Check this by turning all Pots to 0 and then trying on pot after another. Only the pots value should change, if you got one that changes more than Parameter thats the suspicious point. Check that first, it only takes a Minute…

    For the possible problem that a CV is leaking into the 4051 select lines the yellow circled Spot is the most suspicious Area. Test here: disconnect Programmer and measure Resistance between CV Rail (greenish) and the violet Select Lines (best at Pin 6 of every 4051). There should be no connection whatsoever between the Lines.

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    I've checked resistance between green and violet lines, it's ok.


    Going back to the "turning pots" thing : well I have to say -maybe I underestimated that - that for almost every parameter, beside the minimal value issue, when i turn the knob it tends to affect some others very slightly. More precisely, there are very quick - "oscillation-like" I would say +/- 1 or 2 value changes on either zero, one, two or three of related parameters (eg when twisting filter cutoff, there might be some "micro leakage on resonance or lfo)...
  • fcd72fcd72

    Yo dubtoms,
    im a bit out of ideas right now and heeding to holidays. If our fellow ShruthiVersum™ QuickResponseRescueTeam™ doesn’t figure out till I’m back i want to offer just to ship me your Board and i will have a look here but this is earliest the 7th of June. If so, email me…

  • dubtomsdubtoms
    OK.

    Actually I'm leaving to Paris for an intership on Thursday... As I'll stay at a fellow musician friend of mine, my plan was to take my Shruthi with me.

    I think I could meet up with Pichenettes there, he is probably the fittest to find a solution after you anyway, and if he does maybe I'll reward him with buying a Polivoks PCB ! :)
  • fcd72fcd72

    Hey, normally i service his Designs….. your getting this the wrong way round ;-)

  • Titus RaindropsTitus Raindrops

    If everyone that goes to Paris gets to visit with pichenettes and solder up a few boards, I’m buying a ticket now…

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